Shownotes:
Join us as we dive into the world of Unapologetic Leadership with Dr. Marcus Belin. Discover how Marcus and his team have embraced positivity by finding what's good in the last 24. You will feel the excitement as if you're the one running around the school, interviewing students about their wins, from acing a math test to winning a championship game. But it's not just about the kids—Marcus reveals how cultivating gratitude benefits adults too. You won't want to miss this!
About Our Guest:
Dr. Marcus Belin serves as the Principal of Huntley High School, President of Illinois Principals Association, and was recently awarded the 2021 National Association of Secondary School Principals Digital Principal of the Year and was named to the Class of 2021 ASCD International Emerging Leader. Dr. Belin is a motivational speaker and host of the podcast Unapologetic Leadership. He is passionate about creating learning environments that foster social-emotional support for kids, leveraging the integration of technology to expose kids to the world around them, motivating educators, and challenging the status quo of education. He is an alum of Bradley University, where he received his bachelor’s and master’s degrees and National Louis University for his doctorate. Dr. Belin is the husband of an amazing wife, Monique, and a father to 3 beautiful children, who keep life exciting and active.
Website: drmarcusbelin.com
Twitter: @marcusjbelin
Instagram: @drmarcusbelin
About Lainie:
Lainie Rowell is an educator, international consultant, podcaster, and TEDx speaker. She is the lead author of Evolving Learner and a contributing author of Because of a Teacher. Her latest book, Evolving with Gratitude, was just released. An experienced teacher and district leader, her expertise includes learner-driven design, community building, online/blended learning, and professional learning. Learn more at linktr.ee/lainierowell.
Twitter - @LainieRowell
Instagram - @LainieRowell
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Transcript:
Lainie Rowell: [00:00:00] All right, my friends, Dr. Marcus Belin said it's time to rock and roll, so we're gonna do this. I am so excited to welcome you, Marcus. Thank you so much for being here.
Marcus Belin: Yeah, thanks Lainie for having me on the show. I've been excited. I've been waiting on this moment, so thank you.
Lainie Rowell: Oh, you're so kind. Well, me too.
And we actually had a chance to see each other in Chicago. Back in February, it was a very, like ships passing in the night moment and I saw you and I'm like, oh, I know him so I had to quickly grab you and say hello. Hopefully you didn't feel physically accosted, but I did wanna grab you and say hello.
Marcus Belin: No, it's awesome. I mean, we spent so much time being behind the screen virtually. That when you finally see people, you kinda like, How do I approach this person?
Okay, cool. I'm gonna just go after 'em. And you did that, so I embrace it. I'm good with that.
Lainie Rowell: Well, thank you. And we have a shared project. We have both written chapters for Because of a Teacher. So yeah, I feel like we're part of that franchise, if you will. I don't know, but for our friend George Couros who curated those amazing books.
So honored to be a part of that.
Marcus Belin: Yeah, shout out.
Lainie Rowell: Always gotta give the shout out. So, okay. I'm going to do my best to be professional and give you a formal introduction, Dr. Belin, and you will please jump in and add all the extra things. This is an impressive bio. So here we go. Dr. Marcus Belin is a current principal. Friends, he's actually a principal who is on the second to last day of school. Wow. I mean, thank you. Thank you. Truly honored that you're taking this time. I know you got a million things. Also, NASSP National Board Member, Past President of the Illinois Principals Association, ASCD Emerging Leader.
I mean, principal of the year, there's so many things. Podcast host, speaker, keynote, or, okay. I, I could go on and on. Marcus, I'm gonna let you take it from here. What else do we need to know about you?
Marcus Belin: Oh my goodness. I know people ask me all the time, like, do you sleep?
I, I actually do sleep. And I don't do what I do for young people for accolades. Yes, some of that stuff comes and the opportunities are there, and I'm so appreciative of the people that have kind of put me in a position to to be able to hear all of this about me. But it's just been a humbling experience.
As, as you stated, like, starting a podcast happened during the pandemic. It was like a pandemic project. It was one of those things where you just, you got bored in the house and huge shout out to Adam Welcome, who just, he called me one day and he was like, you just gotta start it. Here's how you do it.
Go do it. I'll call you tomorrow and see how it went.
Lainie Rowell: That's a good friend. That's a good friend.
Marcus Belin: I did. He's, he's, and, and when the accountability is there, like I did it and it, his people tell me all the time, there's people who are in education who were not in educated like, Hey, I heard your podcast, like you're not even in education.
They're like, yeah, but I just love listening to the story so Unapologetic Leadership is, it's out there wherever you get your podcast. Always looking for people to be on the show, but just using it as a laid back platform to be able to share the work of educators in the work that we do and to hopefully push the envelope and move some things forward in the field of education.
So in the field of education, leadership, all of that good stuff. The only thing that I don't have on my bio, that...
Lainie Rowell: I know what you're gonna say.
Marcus Belin: ...I'm working on. What do you think it is?
Lainie Rowell: Because it was something I think I bothered you about when we were in person. You got a book coming, right?
Marcus Belin: Yeah. I got a book coming. I got, this summer is I have a bunch of ideas that when I'm sitting in the cafeteria with kids, like every day in my building is content, right? Like every thing that I've done just being a principal, that's always content. Cause there's learning that comes from it, especially reflection that comes from the work that happens every day.
I reflect every night. When I get home I'm like, okay, what, what happened today? What can I do better? What did I learn? And a lot of those stories that are, are really shaping and shaping me into the leader I've become. And so really focusing on my journey. Kind of being a fifth generation educator and being from a family full of people who have been in education from various levels.
And then really kind of moving through this journey myself, I've been in education now for 13 years. This is year 13. 11 of those years have been in administration. I taught fifth and sixth grade social studies for two years. I was a part of a I was a founding teacher of a startup charter school.
I was a founding administrator of a dean of students of a charter high school. Moved into public education, became a principal. And at 29, right? Who would've thought right at 29? So yeah, the, the list just kind of goes on and the opportunities have presented itself, but it's all for the joy of the job.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah, and I think for me, a lot of the things feed each other. So you're a very reflective person. Why not turn that into a book? Why not do the podcast and get that stuff out there? And then hopefully it helps others. I know what you do does help others. Hopefully what I do helps others. And it all kind of, to me, it feeds each other. It makes me excited for the work. Like, oh, I get to have this conversation with Marcus today. This is gonna be so fun. I can't wait to hear what he has to share and have this conversation. So I think it is time, but it's time well worth it.
Marcus Belin: Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Lainie Rowell: All right. Let's dig in. I have the very intense first question, but the good news is there's no right or wrong answer to it. So, I just wanted to get from your perspective, and people ask me, I even had a guest turn it around on me the other day. Well, what does gratitude mean to you?
And I'm like, okay. Today it means, because it does change pretty much from day to day. There's a general understanding of it. But just kind of maybe what's hitting you right now as far as what are you thinking about, what does gratitude mean to you at this moment in time?
Marcus Belin: Well, it's interesting that you say that because at graduation, which was last weekend, I graduated 700 young people.
I know I just saw your face. I have a student population of just about 3000 and I graduated 700 of them. And to open it up, I really talked about gratitude being really a, a positive emotion and a mindset that carries a sense of appreciation. Appreciation for really the good things in life.
One of the biggest things that we have focused on this year in my building is being intentional about finding the positive. And so some of the ways we've done that with connecting with kids and connecting with my staff and even my community we've done what's good in the last 24. And what's good in the last 24 is literally we create a video.
I have a student that films with one of my math teachers whose energy is just as crazy and and hype as mine. We literally run around the school on Friday mornings for about 30 minutes, just asking kids like, what was good this week? What was good in your last 24 hours? And it really, forces them to focus on like, man, what was good?
Like, oh, I passed a math test yesterday. Or, oh, I'm ready for this test that's getting ready to come up. Or last night we won our regional championship game. It's all of the things that can happen. I got a lot of sleep last night, right? Like there's a lot of positives, the small, the large things.
But what comes from that is an understanding of gratitude. It's really the act of focusing on being thankful. I think there's oftentimes, especially working with teenagers, and like I said, I got 3000 students. Working with teenagers, there's a lot of privilege that comes along with being a teenager cuz they don't, they don't know, right?
Like they, they have the technology, they have the resources and even if they don't, they tend to find them. But really helping kids understand. Why it's important to be thankful. And I think in turn what that does is it helps adults because our goal is to teach them. And so we have to actively cultivate gratitude in our lives.
And that's ultimately what happens here, and that's what helps me on a day-to-day. So gratitude becomes a natural daily focus.
Lainie Rowell: I love that. I'm picturing you all running around asking the students the questions and that's a great visual, also a great way to start the day. Right? Like, that's gotta make you feel good too.
Marcus Belin: Yeah. Well, I actually don't run. I know this is a podcast so people won't see, but like there's a hoverboard that sits over in the corner of my office. I I do roll around my building on the hoverboard.
Lainie Rowell: You are joking me. Friends, I am seeing the hoverboard right now. That is, amazing.
I don't think I've ever, ever heard of a principal hover boarding around school. That's pretty amazing.
Marcus Belin: It's called administrative efficiency.
Lainie Rowell: That's awesome. I know that hoverboard, my son has that exact hoverboard, I think. Oh, that is so cool. Yeah. Okay, well hover boarding around to start your day. What a great way.
Well, I know you're big on culture and climate. And I'd really love for you to just share kind of what are some of the things that you're thinking about. It can be specific to this time of year. You could maybe tease some of the things you're going to share in this book.
And did we have a release date for this book?
Marcus Belin: No, not yet. I'm not that far. Lainie, I, I, I, I sense the pressure and I know that you're gonna continue to drop this. So I'm gonna feel the pressure all throughout this podcast and because it's out there for the listeners and knowing your platform and your, your base, I know I'm gonna get a little bit more pressure, so it's on.
Lainie Rowell: It's a commitment device. It's a commitment device. I find if I say things out loud to people, especially when I know it's being recorded and can be played back to me in perpetuity, like, okay, I better, better do it. So yes, in a friendly, caring way, which other people have done for me, that's where that comes from.
Marcus Belin: Yeah. Yeah. So I guess now in the moment, right and even focusing on
now that we're at the end of the year, like this is probably my most reflective time. It is, it's one where like I'm exhausted, right? Most school leaders are, all educators, right? No. No matter what capacity they serve, it's all relative, but like I'm exhausted. And I always tell people it's, it's good to be exhausted at the end of the year because that means you put in work throughout the year.
You put in work day in and day out. We all get, many of us get sleep at night, maybe not as much as we should, but we at least get some level of sleep to be able to make it each day. And now we are entering a very reflective moment in time. And so when people are like, Hey, you get two months or three months off in the summer, first I laugh at them and second off I think about it as like, no, I just enter the next phase of the job. And the next phase of the job is that reflection piece that allows me to determine what things I wanna change, determine how did I grow as a leader. And, and one of the things that I hope to put in my book is just that reflective act, just how I just talked about gratitude.
Mm-hmm. Making it a daily act in our lives. Reflection should be probably up there with thinking about the positive and thinking about the gratitude that we have, because reflection is going to allow us to think of the things and ask ourselves the intentional questions that are gonna help us grow.
And if we fail to have the reflective moments, we ultimately risk repeating a lot of the mistakes that we've made. And some of those mistakes could intentionally or unintentionally do damage to kind of the ethos around us in education, right. When I walk in this building, my mindset has to be different than it was yesterday.
And when I leave this building, my mindset has to be different than it was because I also have a family to go home to. And I have to be able to compartmentalize and say, I need to think about this a little bit later. But as long as I give myself the grace and also find the moments to be grateful I think that is, that's key.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah. And. By the way, I love that you have pictures of your family on your website cuz it was so nice. I prob... oh look, there, they're friends. I wish, this is one of those times where, I wish this was a video podcast, but they're all along the wall in his office too, so That's very lovely. And, it's something that's aspirational for me because my family is so important to me.
Mm-hmm. But it's. But I am not as good at some at leading with, I'm a mom, I'm a wife, all of that. But I love that they were on your, your website, beautiful family, and, and hopefully, even though Principaling is a 24/ 7/ 365 job essentially, I'm hoping you're gonna get some break to, to relax and enjoy that time with them.
Marcus Belin: Oh, I definitely plan on it. My kids are in cheerleading. I have two competitive cheerleaders. And then I have a son who is in Park District Soccer and soon to be in Park District Basketball on Sunday mornings at eight in the morning. But my five, they're five, seven, and nine, so they definitely keep life interesting.
And they're my wife who is the manager of all of our lives. Huge hats off to her. I just, I make, I make life interesting. They make life even more interesting and she somehow manages to keep it all together.
Lainie Rowell: Oh my goodness. Not to bird walk too much, but five, seven, and nine. I didn't do competitive cheerleading till I was in high school.
Marcus Belin: Oh yeah. They've been in it for a little bit.
Lainie Rowell: A little bit. They've been alive for a little bit.
Marcus Belin: There's a lot of tumbling that goes on in my house, back flips off, off the couch, on the bed tumble tracks. I got it all.
Lainie Rowell: Wow. That sounds like a very fun and active house.
Marcus Belin: Tell me about it.
Lainie Rowell: I, I would need a lot of sleep to recover.
Well. I wanna give you an opportunity. I know you talked a little bit about your podcast earlier, but is the book also going to be named Unapologetic Leadership? I'm really pushing and I, okay, I'm gonna take that back. I retract the question. I retract...
Marcus Belin: no, no, no, no. Don't retract it. No, don't retract it. I have like three or four different titles that is on that is on there.
It depends on the direction of how much of the journey I talk about versus how much of the, the role of a leader I talk about. It may potentially turn into, let me get book one out there, and then naturally gravitate towards book two. Because one of the things that happens to me, I, I see writing books... I know this is about to be an analogy that some people are gonna be like, wait, what?
I see books like getting tattoos, right? Like, you get one and you just have that urge like, I really like this. I want to go get another one. For me, it's like I read this great book, like, okay, cool, I wanna go read another one. Or I wanna be able to say very soon, hopefully I wrote this book. It was great. I wanna write another one because I'll know the process.
I, right now I just, I literally just need to jump to have that faithful jump of like, this is gonna be a great process.
Lainie Rowell: Yes. And that's such a wise way to enter it because I feel like with my first book, which thankfully I had Kristy Andre and Lauren Steinman with me for Evolving Learner I had no idea what I was doing and had some really bad writing habits.
And in hindsight, if I had done some things a little bit different that could have been a faster and more enjoyable process. So, yeah. It can be enjoyable. Now I enjoy it. We'll see how many more there are.
Marcus Belin: We'll see if there's some people like ChatGPT will maybe give a basis of like a thought, like, Hey, take this thought and help me.
Right? Like be a crutch for me. My entire book will not be written by ChatGPT I don't think any of it will, cuz I think I have a a lot to be able to share with those who decide they want to read it.
Lainie Rowell: I think that it'll be really interesting to see how... you opened the door. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna talk about it a little bit because I think it's kind of fascinating and I hear some real pushback.
Mm-hmm. But ultimately, I wouldn't be happy with a book that didn't have my tone and voice.
Marcus Belin: Yes.
Lainie Rowell: So, to me, I would have to be so intentional in how I use, and I, I think it can be done. I think it can be done so well, and I think it can actually in the end, create a better product. As long as we're super intentional, which I know if you were to do it would be, but super intentional about like, don't lose me cause mm-hmm. I like to write in a way that people feel like they're just having a conversation with me.
Marcus Belin: I, I will say that I think some of the best books that I've read have come from the people who are truly just this is how it is. I'm a, this is how it is kind of person, right? Like my podcast is that like it's just a laid back.
We just rolling with it. I don't do a ton of editing. I just want people to know like this is how it is. If we focus our lives on striving for the most perfect product, we will ultimately always fail because one, there is no such thing as perfect and two you spend so much time focusing on the perfect that you actually forget what the message just needs to be conveyed to the people who read it, right?
Yeah. It'll be perfect to the people that need to hear it. So yeah, that's, that's my philosophy on it. So I hope that that'll be my driving force.
Lainie Rowell: Absolutely. Alright, my friend, I don't think we've had a chance to talk about this yet, and I know I'm gonna be really sensitive to your time.
Second to last day of school. Thank you so much for taking this time. Yeah, but I don't think we've explicitly defined what does Unapologetic leadership mean? I have an idea of what it means, but I'd love if you shared for you how you came to that being the name of your podcast and an important part of your journey.
Marcus Belin: Yeah, so I, I've had a unique I would say unique to me, but I guess unique to the process about how people come into education. For me, I always knew I wanted to be an educator. Like I said, to begin, I was fifth generation educator, but I got into education and it was funny cuz this was actually asked of me today.
It was like, do you miss the classroom? I'm gonna be honest, I don't miss the classroom because my classroom is my school, right? It's just 3000 students. There's learning going on everywhere all the time. And I know that sounds cliche to some but I taught for two years and fifth and sixth grade social studies before I was offered the opportunity to move into an administrator and be a dean and educate kids with a different perspective.
I could be real good at teaching fifth and sixth grade social studies, or I can be real. Good at teaching kids life lessons through mistakes that they have made and mistakes that I've made or just general life. And so I found joy in that. And I was a dean at 23. I became a principal at 29, and where I became principal here at Huntley they took a chance on me and there were teachers who had been teaching here 32 years like I was born when you started teaching. You know what I mean? Like that, that's, it's hard to say, but like, I value them in my building. And so I had to, I was faced when I moved in here with the test of the normal, right? There are people who are just gonna test me like, are you really ready for this?
Can you do this? Whether it was coming from parents or whether it was coming from students or, or or my staff. They wanted to make sure that I was going to be able to stand my ground, right. I made some decisions that were in the best interest of kids and there were some decisions that I made whether it be to programs or processes or things that we do or the way that we do things that were a little more unique. I always told kids I'm a kids principal, right? Like I work for 3000 people and those are my kids. And then I work for my staff, right? And then I work for the people who pay taxes and the district. Mm-hmm. But kids first. And the unapologetic part about it is, is that my leadership will never be predicated upon making the adults happy before I make the kids happy.
Because we have to create safe learning environments for our kids, we have to create spaces in which our staff and the adults that work in our building who help run the building can be able to pour into kids. And we have to create all of that, but ultimately, if kids are at the center of our decision making, why should we apologize for the decisions that we make for them with the best interest?
Why should we apologize for that? And so that was where Unapologetic Leadership came from. Because I don't apologize for disrupting the status quo of education for the sake of creating that safe learning environment or just that great learning experience that kids will have. And that ultimately has changed the culture here.
And it's, it's, it's my guiding is one of my guiding principles.
Lainie Rowell: I think often we can let the adult issues get in the way. Mm-hmm. But sometimes they're not even as big a issues as we think they are. We're just in habits, we're in routines, and when we start to rethink things. The outcome is often not just the best for kids.
Mm-hmm. But best for adults too. So I love that. Unapologetic Leadership. I love it. All right, my friend. I am gonna be conscious of the time, and I wanna start with the wind down so I can give you an opportunity to give a shout out to someone. For those who know this podcast, you know, I am notoriously bad at holding people to just one.
So feel free to give more than one. Also don't feel like obligated to give more than one. But was that like a sigh of relief? Did I see like
Marcus Belin: Yeah, I, I just feel, I know you said conscious of time. I just don't know how much because I, I will tell you I figuratively I walk around with a cup like this, this, this cup of if you got water to pour in here, if you got something coming from the, well, I'm coming to grab some, whether I'm learning, I'm getting ready to drink, I'm getting ready to drink, right?
There are so many people who have poured into me from the time that I started on my journey who have believed in me, who have Who have challenged me, some people who have legitimately forced and pushed me and said, you have to do this. I'm gonna keep knocking at the door. I will send you a text every day until I hear something different.
Right? Like, first, it's, first, it's my mom my grandmother, she she passed away in April of 2020. On the day I actually defended my dissertation cuz she was like, I wanna see you through this process. And she did. And then my mom, who is an educator, she, you can only imagine with her being in education still to this day, just what our conversations are like on the phone.
We just, we think we have all of the answers to solving the world's problems when it comes to education. The key word is we think. My wife is an assistant principal. She'll be an assistant principal this coming school year. She's been in education as an instructional coach helping teachers.
And, and my kids who I get to learn from to understand, like, I will never make a decision for the kids in my building that I wouldn't be okay with for my own kids. Right? Yeah. And so shout out to them and just holding me accountable every day to the work that I do and being able to come home and be a dad but also be a great principal for great kids and great.
Great school leaders. And when I say school leaders, that's everybody. That's my custodians, my yellow limo drivers, my kitchen chefs I, my paras, I mean all, all of it. Teachers, everybody, right? My secretaries, everybody who makes my building run every day. And then outside my network I got a very big PLN.
Adam Welcome checks in on me regularly. George Couros. Jimmy Cassis my NASSP family, right? I, man, I, I could name a bunch of people and I'll probably forget some people, so I'm gonna just stop right there. My IPA family they believed in me and I am not where I am right now because I missed the calling.
I am where I am right now because I hit the calling. I believe I am in the season that I need to be in. I'm walking in that season just as proud as I can be. But I also know that there's a lot of people that have supported me and that, that are going to utilize me as that beacon of light in, in the field of education that has become so politicized.
And some places it's become so dark and some places it's become it's become a place where people expect everything and all things for kids all the time. And it's just not humanly possible. And so I think the, the, the burden has been shifted to the, to education in really a negative way. And there needs to be some more light to shine amongst amongst the great work that is happening in schools across this nation.
And I'm just one. Right. I'm just one person that's like, I got my flashlight ready to say I'm, I'm, I'm stepping up to the call and I'll do it at Huntley. And I want other people to do it in their buildings, and I want people who aspire to get into the field of education, to do it in their classrooms and hopefully in their buildings and school leaders and so on.
So I'm gonna get off my soapbox. You asked me to give some shout outs, but like, I can go on and on because I think there is, there's a lot of good in this work that we do and we, we have to dig that out of, of the places that it's been so.
Lainie Rowell: I appreciate that. That was a lovely soapbox to be on. And, and thank you for being that light.
I really appreciate the work that you're doing, the great things you're doing on your campus and beyond your campus. And so I thank you to you, thank you to your family for sharing you with us. And so I also heard a thread of that you appreciate people holding you accountable. So I feel really validated that me just like harpin on when is, your book coming is like, yeah, a good thing and you're not mad at me, so yay.
Marcus Belin: No I'm not, I'm not like it, it is. Every, everything's a sign. Like there's always something. Again, in the reflective moment, I will ask myself the question, like, why haven't you done this yet? Like, look at all these people who are pushing you. I, I, I'm excited about the journey, so keep, keep doing it. It was the same thing that like people did when I was working on my dissertation.
Yeah. And I had told myself, like, when I was done with my dissertation, like, I'm gonna continue, like when I see people post on social media, like, Hey, working on my dissertation, getting ready to defend or having trouble with this, it's like I may not even know them, I will stop my scrolling, shoot them a, a quick inbox message like, yo, keep going. Don't give up. And for those people who finally do it, right, like it's a I don't know you, but I'm just saying congratulations cause I know what the process is like. And so people are pushing me to do stuff. I, I, ultimately, one of the biggest pillars and foundation of, of your podcast, right, and, and of gratitude, is just being grateful.
And I am grateful for the opportunity to not only be pushed by people, but to have the ability to push others.
Lainie Rowell: Yes, I am grateful that you have that belief in the potential and the capabilities of others. And yes, when I, when I push you, it's just out of knowing all that you're able to do too. So...
Marcus Belin: I love it. I love it. I love it.
Lainie Rowell: All right, my friend. I wanna make sure people know how to get ahold of you. So please, what's the best, I know you're on Twitter. What are all the socials Yeah. That you like to be on your website? Spill it.
Marcus Belin: Oh my goodness. Well, the website is DrMarcusBelin.com. Instagram, @DrMarcusBelin. That's the other side. I, I do have another one that is, is more, more of the personal lifestyle stuff in that house, more of the stuff where it's just a lot of content. A lot of what I've been doing personally, I've been out speaking and really getting into the keynote world cuz there's not a lot of people with stories to be able to share.
And I actually love talking to people. So I've just really gotten into that in the past couple of years. So that's been an exciting journey. People can find me, like I say, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn. Really if you go to the website, DrMarcusBelin.com, you can, you can find all of ways to connect with me directly.
And yeah, just wanna be able to connect with people so when people hear like, how can we connect with you? Like, please do, please connect, because I think there's so much that I can learn from you. And so much that I hope that you can learn from me. And that's how we, that's how we make this web a little bit thicker, right?
That's how we make the pipeline a little bit stronger is by constantly pouring into it with our connections and our networks.
Lainie Rowell: Love that. I am gonna make sure to put all of the ways to contact you in the show notes. So friends, if you wanna actually be able to touch on the button and go straight to Marcus on Twitter, just look in the show notes.
If you wanna go straight to Instagram, show notes, website, all of it, and the podcast. We'll all be in the show notes. And then just one more little loving push, once the book comes out, I will come back and update the show notes for that.
Marcus Belin: Yep, yep, yep.
Lainie Rowell: I had to, I'm sorry.
Marcus Belin: I can't wait for that. I can't wait for that update.
Yes.
Lainie Rowell: I appreciate you so much. Thank you for this time, especially during such a hectic time of the year. I hope you have a great end of the school year and then onto all the other things that you get to do as a principal and just again, thank you for your time. Thank you all for listening.
Marcus Belin: Yes, thanks for having me on the show, Lainie. I appreciate it.
Lainie Rowell: My pleasure. Thanks, friends.