Shownotes:
Such a pleasure of chatting with the dynamic Maxwell Roach! In this convo, we delve into his journey from a computer science student to a musician sharing the stage with Beyonce and the Rolling Stones to his latest gig, educator. Maxwell's passion for the potential of young minds is infectious. Join us as we explore how personalized learning and cultivating expert learners can unlock endless possibilities for children and adults alike. Get ready for a conversation filled with wisdom and insights that will inspire you to embrace lifelong learning.
About Our Guest:
Maxwell is a children’s book author and the Founder of JonAyves Learning Club, a personalized learning organization that teaches children concepts such as long division as early as the age of 3. He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Toronto and is certified as a Professional in Human Resources (PHRi). As a former musician, sharing stages with Beyoncé and the Rolling Stones, leading a child care organization as CEO, and working as a consultant for ecommerce tech companies globally, Maxwell values the need to "fill the industry gaps" by way of disruption and modern solutions.
Website: jonayves.com
Twitter: @JonAyvesTV
Instagram: @AJsHouseKids
About Lainie:
Lainie Rowell is an educator, international consultant, podcaster, and TEDx speaker. She is the lead author of Evolving Learner and a contributing author of Because of a Teacher. Her latest book, Evolving with Gratitude, was just released. An experienced teacher and district leader, her expertise includes learner-driven design, community building, online/blended learning, and professional learning. Learn more at linktr.ee/lainierowell.
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Transcript:
Lainie Rowell: [00:00:00] Okay, friends, I have another amazing guest for you. I am very excited to welcome Maxwell Roach to the show. Hi, Maxwell.
Maxwell Roach: Hi there. How are you? Thank you again. This is great.
Lainie Rowell: I'm so happy to have you. I'm gonna call you Max, but I wanna make sure people know Maxwell Roach because that's easier to find online.
So that's that's a good thing to know. Right.
Maxwell Roach: Perfect. That's wonderful. Appreciate it.
Lainie Rowell: Well, I'm gonna introduce you and then ask you to jump in with all the extra details you are comfortable sharing with us. And so Maxwell is a children's book author and the founder of JonAves Learning Club, which is a personalized learning organization that teaches children concepts such as long division, as early as age three. I'm excited to hear more about that. He has so many accolades and I always love meeting people who have such a wide range of talents and Max former musician sharing the stage with Beyonce and the Rolling Stones. I mean, is this correct?
Maxwell Roach: The research is correct. Absolutely. Lots of fun there, too. Lots of stories outta that.
Lainie Rowell: Well, there's a lot more to you. So Max, I'm gonna go ahead and turn it over to you to please fill in all the important information that we need to know about you.
Maxwell Roach: That's amazing, Lainie, thank you so much.
This has, this has been great. I mean, we, we connected a little bit on Twitter as well, and we, we were able to get the ball moving on this, and I really appreciate it. I think this year has been really interesting because, it's funny. I, I think I've probably, I've been on quite a few podcasts this year and this one I was specifically looking forward to and I was explaining to you earlier as well, because sometimes the conversation on being thankful and being gracious and having Gratitude for things is generally left maybe for last at times, when really that should be the, the forerunner, right, should be the front runner.
So this is really fantastic, really looking forward to this. So, yeah, I mean, you pretty much said it in the intro, right? Fantastic. So thank you. I've, I've been kind of doing quite a few things across many different domains over the years, and it's, it's been a lot of fun. There's been some stress involved, there's been a lot of learning.
It's been a lot of change. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't edit any of this, right. I wouldn't change any of this. I think it's fantastic. And you know, I actually started out going into computer science first before anything. Of course I was playing music and you know, I'm playing music as a child.
I'm playing in church, I'm playing with bands, you know, family. Everybody has some sort of musical instrument at any time, right? So all in that, you know, I'm going through high school and I'm thinking, okay, what do I wanna do? And, and to be honest, didn't really want to play much music at all. That wasn't really what I wanted to do.
So I ended up going into computer science. And that was a very interesting kind of situation because I realized I didn't want to look at a blank screen all day and, you know, add random syntax and code to it. It wasn't really what I was interested in, even though I loved web development, I loved graphic design, all these things as well throughout high school.
So, Long story short, my mom found a school for me to go to and said, you have to do something with your time. So go to this music school. And it was across Canada. I, I was living in Windsor, Ontario at the time, and that's right across from Detroit, Michigan. Right. So that's kind of the motor city capital, all those things.
And. So I ended up, you know, I think I was, I was 18 at the time. I went for the first time away from home, right? Living away from my parents and started going to this music school where I, I learned so much and when I say I learned a lot, it's kind of, I. The, I think the more I move forward in life, the more I realize how important that period was, because I was learning how to approach mastery in something and I was going in there to learn how to play the drums.
Right. And of course, I had played previously in all of these things, right? So, went through that, came to Toronto, Ontario right after graduating there with a diploma in Arts and Music from Edmonton. I came to the University of Toronto and finished up my studies here, but pretty much as soon as I moved to Toronto, I ended up touring immediately.
You know, I, I was connecting with people networking. I learned how to, and let me tell you, there's something about music that really teaches you how to network because musicians are very interesting creatures, right? We are quite artistic. So there, there's a lot within that, right? And you really learn how to network in that respect.
So, What I found was that being in the music industry and being able to understand what it was like to to travel, you know, for months on end, right? Being able to meet new people and perform with individuals almost nightly, who you may not have met, you may have met them that night and you're performing with them.
Yeah. And then you go the next night and meet with someone else and you're performing with them. So you're building this network, you're building this comradery with people immediately as soon as you meet them. Now, what's fantastic about this is that all of this translates into different. Domains, I guess you could say, right?
Whether it's into corporate business world, whether it's into education, which is where I'm finding myself in right now. What a home to be in right now. I think this is fantastic. Whether it's into the food business where I launched a bread product into the greater Toronto area, into grocery stores there, right?
Whether it's in software development and having to hire software developers and, you know work on, work on projects where we're, we're developing tools for, for phones and all of these things, right? Whether it's talking to administrations across the world and having to administer scholarships to their postdoctoral students and speak to the professors about these concepts, that to be honest, to this day, I question how I even learned some of these concepts, right?
But it really all boiled down to what I found was approach, approaching that mastery of learning how to do something very well. Now whether I'm the best at it or not, I'm, I will never be the best because there's always someone better than you. It's what it is, right? You come to that conclusion very quickly in music as well, but being able to be on that constant quest of mastery has always been something that I found has been beneficial for me.
And moving into education. I mean, this is the space for all of that. It's constant lifelong learning. Even as an educator, it's constant lifelong learning. I mean, children are being brought up in completely different environments day in and day out, right? Year in and year out. I guess I could say right from one moment you're at home learning on your computer, right?
For a year, right? And you're in kindergarten. To all of the different things that are happening now. We're we're, you know, we're combating mental health now. We're combating, you know diagnoses of different sorts and whatnot. So how do we deal with that as educators while all at the same time not burning out our teachers?
Right? So I found that this culmination of knowledge and understanding and, and work and stress and all these things that I was talking about previously has really brought me to this place here now where I can at least maybe lend some sort of a helping hand. You know? And those who have been in the education industry for far longer than me have been, they've welcomed me with open arms.
So I'm really excited to be here. And, you know, it's, it's been a blast so far.
Lainie Rowell: Well, we're happy to have you. And as I was listening to you, I had so many thoughts and one of them is, Yes, I, I played piano as a child for years. It did not get me on stage with Beyonce. And I think what you're pointing out is so many of the little things that are actually big, big things that are sometimes invisible to people on the outside not knowing your whole story.
And so I really appreciate you talking about the importance of connecting that networking. And that search for continuous improvement, and it's not that you're not good enough, but that you can always be better. I won't always necessarily be the best person performing, but I can be the best I can be and I can be better tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.
And I can keep striving for that. And I think that mindset is what gets you on stage with Beyonce and the Rolling Stones is I can always be better and I'm here to connect with people who can teach me to be better too.
Maxwell Roach: Oh, 100%. And I think that is really where not only network, but also mentors, also friends, right?
Those who you can be close with, and also your students as well. All of this helps you become a better individual. It helps you either have more patience. It helps you be able to create concise ideas and display them in a way that's digestible. This is very important skillset to have, right? That I found that I can take music as an example.
You really need to, and you can understand playing piano as well, that there, there are, you have to learn how to play with one finger before you can learn how to play with your whole hand. So being able to understand this is actually very important because you can take this concept and bring it into education, right?
And this is what I found is sort of the basis of a lot of what we're doing at our organization right now anyway. And also how I just seem to want to operate in life anyway. I want everything to be digestible. It's not fun if you're trying to, you know, you have a full mouth of food, right? Mm-hmm. And you're like, you're chewing on it.
It's like, oh, I can't breathe or anything, right? Small bites are fantastic. Right. It, your body digest, it's a lot better, right? You're able to enjoy, right? You're able to have more conversation with people as well, right? You're able to expand on other ideas. You're able to taste the food. Why not taste the food while you're eating it?
Right? Instead of having to, you know, eat too much of it because oh, you're, you're trying to scarf it down, not interesting. So being able to apply all of that, I think, to education and to even just navigating life in itself and being thankful for all of it, right? Like, why not? It's fantastic.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah. Well, I feel like you already answered my first question.
What does Gratitude mean to you? So you are an amazing guest. You already did that, so thank you for that.
Maxwell Roach: I wanna trying to stay ahead of the game.
Lainie Rowell: You, you're ahead. Thank you. Keeping me on track. I wanna dive a little deeper into the work that you're currently doing, and I know that you said educator, and I wanna, I wanna explore that a little bit further and, and any ways that that connects to Gratitude would be lovely.
But tell us about JonAves, the learning club.
Maxwell Roach: Yeah. I mean this is, this has been quite the journey. We started this organization, Around a year and a half ago, right? So it was maybe not that long, so April of 20 22. And it started out with a very interesting thought process that we figured was going to make this become the greatest thing on the planet.
And I think everyone always needs to think that way, right? Whatever you're pursuing think it's gonna be the greatest thing ever, right? Because it might be right? So why not? So I guess to bring it sort of back a little bit further, I mean, JohnAves in itself, right? We were discussing earlier, you know, like where, where does this, where does this name come from?
Right. So I have two children, right? My wife and I, we have two children. So one is our, our daughter is nine years old, our son is six years old, and at the time of this episode anyway, so our son's name is Jonah and our daughter's name is Ava. So what we did, we just put them, put their names together, right?
Made a little soup right there, and here we are. Right? So JonAves Learning Club is where we're at. And the reason why we did this is because they're the basis of why we're able to have any sort of curriculum right now that moves things forward, right? Any sort of process that was created was based on the process that we used with our own children.
Now, As, you know, we were speaking earlier as well about, you know, concepts such as long division, right? How do you, how do you teach long division to a three-year-old, right? How do you teach double digit multiplication to young children like that? And I think what it comes down to is, again, it's the bite-sized modules and, I like to use the word consistency, but I feel like consistency is something that's overused and it's something that is actually very difficult to achieve because I understand it, right.
I've been tracking. So I've been trying to do a little bit more, you know, workouts at the gym, right? I just, I go to my basement, I've got some weights down there, I'll do that. Right? It's very difficult to stay very consistent with this, right? Or even any level of consistency. So when I kind reflect on how we raise our children, we had a semi consistent model with them.
But over the long term, when you look at it, there's consistency, right? Doesn't have to be every day. It doesn't have to be every other other day. It's just, you have to look at it on the macro, right? So we were introducing, you know, reading practices with our children from even when they were in the womb, really talking to them, reading to them everything.
So, you know, when our children sort of came out, it was, here, here's some concepts for you. Here's what we're doing. This is the content that we're, that we're consuming. And a lot of it, to be honest, again, I may get some flack for it, right? But YouTube is fantastic. If you utilize it for the reasons that are positive, right?
It's very easy to to, to fall into other traps and whatnot, right? But being able to use it for an educational source, fantastic. But here's the thing, one-on-one instruction is also very important, the personalized side of it. So not just sitting my children down there and having them just watching a video.
If I'm able to engage them at the same time, now we have a relationship, now we have a lesson. Right? And that's fantastic. So being able to do this, this is one of the basis sort of models that we use with our company currently, right? So the whole concept behind everything, keeping everything bite-sized, really just giving in doses as required and in the, in the, the style that each child requires.
Has really been the basis and it's really been helpful for being able to teach you know, somewhat, I'd say advanced concepts, let's say to those who are in their early years. Now, I have received a lot of pushback on this, tons of pushback because here's the thing I use, you were mentioning educator. I use the term educator very lightly when it comes to myself.
The only reason I use it for myself is because I'm in the space. But the reality is that there are, there are individuals like yourself, there are individuals, like all the teachers that are in the classroom every day, right? They're right in the thick of it. And I, I don't know how they do it. It's incredible.
I can't, it's that, that's not my skillset. Right. Even though I am in the classroom with these children, right. And I'm working with them, you know, in, in our classrooms, it's fine. But I think what's very important here is that when it comes down to understanding that, you know, Education is such a formal and important part of lives from early years.
There's a lot of research. Over the years that have had sort of conflicting, I guess, I ideologies where, hey, we just want the children to play, let them explore all of these things. Right? I think that's fantastic. And a place for it. I think there's also a place for being able to sit down and have some level of structure.
There's room for everything, right? So how do we create that balance? And this is an ongoing conversation, which I'm sure you know all about, right? Happens all the time. We're all on Twitter. We all see it. So I think, again, For our company personally and where we are at, and, and to be honest, our methodologies and how it worked.
We love the concept of making the work, quote unquote, into play so that the, the kids have no choice but to think that what they're doing is play anyway. I. So it's all great. It's all fantastic. But again, I'm coming at it from a bit of a different angle where again, I play drums, right? So this, this kind of mentality of having play involved is very important.
But you know, personalized, personalized a hundred percent. That's where we're at and that's how we run kind of everything that we do so far.
Lainie Rowell: So lemme ask you this, and thank you for asking yourself the tough question before I had to do it. I appreciate that.
Maxwell Roach: Ahead of the game.
Lainie Rowell: Again, I feel like I'm not running the show and I'm fine with it.
I'm here for it. So my question would be, I hear you saying personalization and I guess my follow up question would be, it's not that your goal so much is. I wanna teach long division to three year olds. That's not necessarily the goal, but to me what I'm hearing you say is that you believe kids are capable of amazing, tremendous things, and when you personalize, it's astounding what they can achieve even at very young ages.
Is that fair to say?
Maxwell Roach: Absolutely. You probably put it better than I did. Right. I definitely feel that it's not the actual skillset that you have. This is actually a very interesting topic because I've had discussions with many people where they talk about gifts and talents, right?
So full disclaimer, both my parents are licensed ministers, so some of the lingo that I may use may come from that, right? It's, it's what it is. It's how I grew up. Some people say, I have a gift for this, or I have a talent for this, or whatever it might be, right? I'll use the word gift. In this particular scenario, what I've found is that sometimes people confuse gift with skillset.
Now skillset can easily be learned. And when I say easily, I mean there's a formula to it. You go, you do the work, you be consistent, right? This difficult thing that we speak of, right? And then there you go. You have that skillset. As an example, myself, I play music, I play drums. I mean, I like it. I'm not doing it now, right?
I do it sometimes now, right? It's fine, but I'm not doing it now. Does that mean that it was my gift or is it my gift? Or maybe my gift doesn't actually have anything to do with that. I mean, who knows? So my thought process is I wanna find the gifts in people. I wanna see what is it that they have that is independent of the skillset.
So long division. Sure it's a skill. Great. Now you know it. Now apply that ability on how you were able to master that process and put it somewhere else. See what happens. I guarantee you, if you can understand that, you can apply that same process somewhere else, right? And then try it somewhere else. Try it somewhere else.
Now I'm a living product of this, and again, I'm not saying, Hey everyone, go quit your jobs and try something else. Right? This is not any legal advice or any advice. It's for things that you should do on your own. Right? But for myself personally, I've moved from industry to industry and I've seen some level of success in all of them because I've applied this process that I thought would work for myself.
When I was looking to approach mastery in music, right. And it's, that's the process that works for me. It's the process that I feel works for those who are coming through the program as well. And the thing is, is that we just tailor it that, so you're correct. The personalized side of it is not based on the actual work.
It itself, it's based on creating a process so that you can apply that to anything that you're doing.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah, cultivating expert learners is what I hear you saying. It's about really learning to learn, and that's far more valuable than any specific skillset because if you can learn how to learn, if you can become an expert learner, you can learn anything.
All the doors are open. Absolutely. So I think absolutely. I think your agility, your experience in all the different fields is a testament to that. And I think a lot of us move in in different places. I've made some lane changes without signaling and that's fine. Right?
Maxwell Roach: Yeah. Sometimes it's scary for the people who are behind you or ahead of you. Right. Sometimes the car's broken, so you're the blinker's out and you just gotta make the move. So all of it is, is what it is. Right.
Lainie Rowell: Thanks for joining me in that analogy.
Maxwell Roach: Gotta do it.
Lainie Rowell: Well, my friend, is there anything more you wanna tell us about your story, about JonAves?
Maxwell Roach: Well, I think a lot of the, the reason why I was so happy to be here is because of the Gratitude portion.
Right. And to be honest, it got me thinking a lot and you know, I'm generally thinking, I'm thinking before I go on podcast. Right. This one was, was very interesting because. It kind of got me thinking about what are the things that we are grateful for, for ourselves, and also how do we express that to others, right?
For things that we may be grateful for for the things that they bring to either our lives or to the general public or whatever that might be. And one of the things that I was thinking about was, well, within myself, I found that I've really trimmed many activities that I take part in right now. I don't really go out much.
Right. Again, I've been out and around the world quite a bit, right. So it's fine. But I do enjoy networking. I love those things as well. I can appreciate social media as well and things like that, right. But I've definitely dialed back a lot of, of what I consume both physically and also mentally and everything, right?
And I see that as way of looking at Gratitude or even a way of being grateful for what we have been given, even being grateful for what our bodies are providing to us, because our bodies are very, very, I guess the word could be meticulous in the way that it does what it does.
Right? So if I am making sure that what I put into my own body, Both mentally, physically, whatever it might be for some people spiritually as well, then that's all Gratitude, right? When it is positive right now, again, people do what they do. Right. Myself included, right. I'm, I am not exempt from any of this though I think just having the mindset of being thankful that we're given health, we're given strength, we're given life, all of these things is very important and
there are so many levels to Gratitude as well, where even as an example, right, let's say you have a mentor. Your mentor gives you advice. So if you act on that advice from someone who's giving you that sort of direction, that in itself is being very grateful for the, the time that was spent, for the information that was given.
All of these things, I would even put this into the classroom. So I actually thank my children. Every time they come in, I say, did you do your homework? And they say, yes. I say thank you, because they didn't have to do it. I'm very thankful that they took my advice and did the homework, right? It's almost like they are, they are showing Gratitude effectively for the advice that I've given them, right?
And I thank them for that. So I think being able to see that everywhere is really important. And, you know, I wish we did actually spend some more time on this as well. Maybe we'll come back and do another one, but I think there's a lot to unpack there as well. And you know, why not just see, see Gratitude, and see thankfulness and, and gratefulness everywhere.
You know, I think it's very important.
Lainie Rowell: I really appreciate that perspective, and I think that one of the things that I've spent the last few years as I've been taking this deep dive on Gratitude is really expanding my definition and my view on it and realizing that it is, like you said, in so many facets of your life.
Once you start to look for it and you go, oh, this is how this relationship is nurtured through Gratitude, is that we do these things for each other and I'm helping you and offering you this support, and you are, you're in it with me, taking me up on this support and, and learning with me, and I think that's really important.
I also wanna touch on, a few months ago, I read Dr. Cassie Holmes Happier Hour. I don't know if you've had a chance to read that, but Yeah,
Maxwell Roach: Very familiar.
Lainie Rowell: Yeah, I hear that as you're sharing, because what I think you did, and, and not to say that you did it because of the book, but maybe, but what I hear you did is you did a time audit.
You looked at how you were spending your time, and then you said, well, here's how I wanna craft my time. This is actually where I wanna put my focus. And I think that's a really important thing because I think it's very easy to lead a distracted life. I think it's very easy to lose hours on devices. I'm guilty of it to this day, but I try for it to be more of okay, I'm ready to sacrifice some hours for this versus it just kind of getting away from me. And so I think that's a really lovely thing. And then I hear you savoring life. And so to me those are, those are all to do with Gratitude
Maxwell Roach: A hundred percent. And what's really interesting as well about content and online and scrolling and, you know, looking at, at any and everything that someone else has to say about their lives.
Right? That's pretty much how I look at it, is that, I was thinking about this as I was driving in the car actually today when I was coming, getting ready for this and being thankful for the fact that you can make choices. You are absolutely allowed to make whatever choice and then at that point, I'm so thankful for social media.
I'm thankful for YouTube algorithms. I'm thankful for TikTok algorithms because once I choose to, to take a listen to or watch certain content, it's just given to me. I don't even have to look for it. It's amazing. Incredible. Right. So for myself, as I kind of keep kind of looking into it and experiencing this sort of direction of Gratitude as well, I'm starting to, it's almost automatically being curated for me that the information that I need is just coming to me. Right. So, Why not just continue in that direction? So I don't even really any longer think of it as a sacrifice, even if it is in a direction that may be a little off the beaten path.
If we look at it, you know, literally it's still all coming back to exactly what I'm looking to do for myself, for my family, and again, being thankful for everything that we're given. Right? So, yes, this is. Interesting that you mentioned that book as well. Right? All, all of that information sort of came all at the same time.
Right. So I think it's, it's it's definitely very interesting and we, again, thankful for, for being able to have these kind of discussions with individuals that are actually thinking about this 'cause it is very important and worthy of being in more discussions.
Lainie Rowell: I'm thinking about, like last night, I have spent a lot of time on planes in the last few weeks and I love what I do, but last night I was tired and I got on a plane and I had a five hour flight and I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to put on a very cheesy rom-com and I am going to sit back and I'm going to watch this movie. . It was a choice to kind of let go. I'm choosing to do this. And honestly, to me, the best thing about social media is actually sharing Gratitude. That's one of the biggest reasons I go on there. Love going on there and amplifying the work of other people like you and all the amazing people that are sharing their hearts and like their passions and their purpose.
I wanna amplify that.
Maxwell Roach: Well, that's, that's the scary thing about addiction at times as well, is that it's not a choice or seemingly not a choice at the time. So yes, you made the choice, this is what I'm going to do right now. . Fantastic. Right. You know what the ramifications are, if any. Right. You know what the positives are, if any.
You made that choice, right? maybe it was compelling or that the choice was compelled upon something else, but you weren't at the mercy of someone or something else. and I think that's the important point. So, Please rom com away. I've had my guilty pleasures personally, which maybe I won't discuss on here, with certain television shows.
It's entertainment and to be honest, it plays into. It actually plays into our organization because we need to connect with the children. That's a big piece of it, right? So seeing what's happening out there and being a part of it, I think is important. And yeah.
You know, enjoy.. Like it, right, and you're doing what you're supposed to, you're making the choice to do it. And I think that's, that's the, the beauty of what you've done and that you, for all the work you've been doing as well, if you're on flights and doing all these things. So you know, continue. It's great.
Lainie Rowell: I love what I do. I get to work with so many amazing educators, and it was such a, such a great day yesterday. Well, I know I need to start to let you go, so I'm just gonna ask you to do your shout out and then tell us how people can connect with you.
Maxwell Roach: Oh, for sure.
Yes. I'll start with a shout out. So I'm, I'm actually gonna, I'm gonna share this podcast with this individual. I have two people. One is, An individual. I was on his podcast earlier this year. Incredible smooth voice as well. I always joke about that with, with individuals as well. Charles Williams.
He's the amazing educator. He's got a podcast called The Counter Narrative Podcast. And what a gentleman, what a figure. He's opened me up to a bunch of different Facebook groups. He's connected me with people and it's been fantastic. So big shout out to him.
Another shout out is somebody who actually works at a local library, and she is just something else, and sometimes I refer to her as my guardian angel. Her name is Sandra, and she only appears when it's necessary. I don't know what her hours are at the library, but she's only there when I require her assistance.
And when I say assistance, I mean, on a mental level, right? I'm either going in there and I have a thought process and I'm struggling with something and she's just appears like, how does this happen? Every time, magically. She just says hello and then she starts talking about my problems in the moment, and, it's like we continued a conversation that was in my mind, so big shout out to, to Sandra, right, Sandy.
So fantastic. I think that if you can find someone in your life that's like that, or they come into your life, you are blessed for years. So that's definitely one thing that's interesting there is, is kind of having, having someone like that in your life. So those are the people that I would shout out if you do want to kind of take a look at.
Where we are and what we're doing at JonAves Learning Club, we've got a bunch of books, right? You can go on our website, JonAves.com, J O N A Y V e s.com. We've got our books on there. You can shop the books there. You can take a look. They're all on Amazon as well. Please check out our YouTubes and our, and our Twitter.
We have a couple of YouTube channels. One is at JonAves tv. So that's J O N A Y V E S T V. And we just went in downtown to to Toronto, to the CN Tower and Ripley's Aquarium and all these things. But what we do is we, we do timestables competitions with random strangers, right? Because again, our children are nine years old and six years old.
You know, they'll go up all cute and say, oh, you know, can you help us with our timestables? And they're like, oh yeah, no problem. And then we go right into it and it's a full on dual, right? And so, you know, it's great content. Fantastic for kids and for adults too. So check us out there. We've got another channel, @AJshousekids, And we've got tons of timestables animated videos there as well, you know, with music. And our kids are rapping and singing all kinds of things. And yeah, you know, on TikTok, on on Twitter at JonAves tv as well, please get in touch with me.
Contact me. Let's just talk. I love continuing conversation. Happy to talk with anyone about a lot of our practices and how we can even integrate in schools, things like that. So it's been great. Everything's fantastic. Everything's fun, thankful for all conversations that happen and you know, if we can get in touch, please.
Happy to talk.
Lainie Rowell: I really enjoyed this conversation. I just have to say, when you were doing your shout outs, your face just completely lit up and, and you're already like, on fire and so animated and so fun to watch.
But when you, when it came to giving those shout outs, it was just beaming out of you, and that was really, really fun to watch.
Maxwell Roach: I love connecting with people, right? And I think it's really fun because everyone is so different in the way that they are and different in the way that they approach life.
I mean, they, they wouldn't be where they are unless they had a path and a journey. So when you just get to see that snippet of where they are right now, my imagination just goes wild. It's like, oh well. Where did you come from? Why are you like this? You know, what, what did you eat when you were younger?
You know, all of these things, you know, what did your parents do? So it's just, it's, it's partly comedy to me too, because we're all so different. All of us are so different and somehow, like, we're still kind of like fighting each other about our differences. It's like, but we're all different, so why is this a problem?
But anyway, yeah, I guess that's kind of a part of it. I, I do really enjoy it.
Lainie Rowell: Well, it shows, and I appreciate your positivity, your energy, and all the great things you're bringing. I hope people get a chance to connect with you, and thank you for your time. Thanks for this conversation.
Maxwell Roach: Oh, thank you so much, Lainie.
Lainie Rowell: Thanks, friends. Thank you all for listening.